2 Key Witnesses to Testify Thursday 11/21 06:07
House impeachment investigators will hear on Thursday from two key witnesses
who grew alarmed by how President Donald Trump and others in his orbit were
conducting foreign policy in Ukraine, capping an intense week in the historic
WASHINGTON (AP) -- House impeachment investigators will hear on Thursday
from two key witnesses who grew alarmed by how President Donald Trump and
others in his orbit were conducting foreign policy in Ukraine, capping an
intense week in the historic inquiry.
David Holmes, a political counselor at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, says he was
having lunch with Ambassador Gordon Sondland this summer when he heard Trump on
the phone asking the envoy about the investigations he wanted from the Ukraine
president. The colorful exchange was like nothing he had ever seen, Holmes said
in an earlier closed-door deposition.
Fiona Hill said her National Security Council boss, John Bolton, cut short a
meeting with visiting Ukrainians at the White House when Sondland started
asking them about "investigations."
The two witnesses set to appear Thursday are the last scheduled for public
hearings in an inquiry that brought hours of testimony from a roster of current
and former U.S. government officials defying Trump's orders not to appear.
The impeachment inquiry focuses on allegations that Trump sought
investigations of former Vice President Joe Biden and his son --- and the
discredited idea that Ukraine rather than Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S.
election --- in return for the badly needed military aid and a White House
visit the new Ukrainian president wanted to show his backing from the West.
Those testifying publicly this week previously appeared for private
depositions, most having received subpoenas compelling their testimony.
Holmes has told investigators the call he overheard "was so remarkable that
I remember it vividly."
He said he heard Trump ask, "So he's going to do the investigation?"
According to Holmes, Sondland replied that Ukrainian President Volodymyr
Zelenskiy "will, quote, 'do anything you ask him to.'"
Hill said Bolton told her he didn't want to be involved in any "drug deal"
Sondland and Trump's acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney were
cooking up over the Ukrainian investigations Trump wanted.
Sondland, a wealthy hotelier and donor to Trump's inauguration, appeared
before lawmakers Wednesday in a marathon session.
He declared that Trump and his lawyer Rudy Giuliani explicitly sought a
"quid pro quo" with Ukraine, leveraging an Oval Office visit for political
investigations of Democrats. But he also came to believe the trade involved
Sondland testified it was his understanding the president was holding up
nearly $400 million in military aid, which Ukraine badly needs with an
aggressive Russia on its border, in exchange for the country's announcement of
Sondland conceded that Trump never told him directly the security assistance
was blocked for the probes, a gap in his account that Republicans and the White
House seized on as evidence the president did nothing wrong. But the ambassador
said his dealings with Giuliani, as well as administration officials, left him
with the clear understanding of what was at stake.
"Was there a 'quid pro quo'?" Sondland testified in opening remarks. "With
regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is
The rest, he said, was obvious: "Two plus two equals four."
Later Wednesday, another witness undercut a main Republican argument ---
that Ukraine didn't even realize the money was being held up. The Defense
Department's Laura Cooper testified that Ukrainian officials started asking
about it on July 25, which was the day of Trump's phone call with Zelenskiy,
when he first asked for a "favor."
Sondland was the most highly anticipated witness in the House's impeachment
inquiry into the 45th president of the United States.
In often-stunning testimony, he painted a picture of a Ukraine pressure
campaign that was prompted by Trump himself, orchestrated by Giuliani and
well-known to other senior officials, including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
Sondland said he raised his concerns about a quid pro quo for military aid with
Vice President Mike Pence --- a conversation Pence said he didn't recall.
However, Sondland said: "Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret."
The ambassador said he and Trump spoke directly about desired
investigations, including a colorful cellphone call this summer overheard by
others at a restaurant in Kyiv.
Trump himself insists daily that he did nothing wrong and the Democrats are
just trying to drum him out of office.
As the hearing proceeded, he spoke to reporters outside the White House.
Reading from notes written with a black marker, Trump quoted Sondland quoting
Trump to say the president wanted nothing from the Ukrainians and did not seek
a quid pro quo. He also distanced himself from his hand-picked ambassador,
saying he didn't know him "very well."
Trump concluded, "It's all over" for the impeachment proceedings.
In Moscow on Wednesday, Russian President Vladimir Putin said he was pleased
that the "political battles" in Washington had overtaken the Russia
allegations, which are supported by the U.S. intelligence agencies.
"Thank God," Putin said, "no one is accusing us of interfering in the U.S.
elections anymore. Now they're accusing Ukraine."